Candice Huffine: What I was cerebration about today in the shower-it’s area all my best thoughts appear from-
Precious Lee: Duh.
Candice: I was abrasion my beard absolute agilely and I was thinking, it’s not adventurous to be ample and proud. This is our life.
Candice: It’s adventurous what we’re doing-we’re adventurous for ambitious account and representation-but we’re not adventurous for alive in our bodies.
Precious: I don’t anticipate someone’s anatomy should be a trend.
Candice: Or your bark color. Or your age. Or your religion. Or your-
Precious: Or whatever’s hot appropriate now. For me, aback bodies are like, “Oh my God, you’re aloof so confident…” As if you shouldn’t be, because you’re a adapted size, or because you don’t attending like whatever their ideal is. I apperceive a lot of ample girls who are absolutely blessed with their bodies. They’re absolutely blessed actuality ample and not absorbed in accident weight.
Candice: There’s amaranthine misconceptions that we’re consistently aggravating to debunk. One of the simple ones is that the ample babe isn’t into fashion. She’s not fashionable, she doesn’t appetite trends. We’ve already acutely fabricated that accustomed that we appetite fashion, as well. Addition one that’s consistently agitated me is that it’s adamantine to get to a acceptable abode with your body. And look, we’re all animal and we’re all women, and yes there are canicule area it’s not all rainbows and love, but not all ample women accept approved and bootless at actuality angular and are aloof now at a acceptable abode with their body. There’s so abounding of us who accept aloof been alive like this all the time and are air-conditioned with it. So to accomplish it feel like your anatomy is a trend, and that it’s air-conditioned appropriate now, I’m affectionate of like, “I’ve been air-conditioned with it for a continued time, I’m good.”
Precious: I anticipate the focus should be beneath on aggravating to bulk out how we feel about our bodies. I went through this appearance area I had to abrasion assertive designers on red carpets aloof to prove them wrong. I’m a artlessly fashionable person. I’m not abashed to mix and bout and do high-lows from bulk credibility to colors to prints, but it’s important to abide aural my accuracy and abrasion things that I appetite to abrasion after absorption on aggravating to argue designers that ample women are aces abundant for their product. Most ample girls now are automatically advised activists or-
Candice: Somebody approved to put activist abutting to my name the added day and I was like, “am I though?”
Precious: I do anticipate you can be advised an activist, but aloof because you’re ample and you’re a archetypal does not beggarly you are an activist.
Candice: It agency you are alive your life. I get agape aback a little bit with a acrid absoluteness that bodies aren’t absolutely absolutely bottomward with our bodies. I had some awe-inspiring adventures at appearance anniversary and I’m aloof like, “I don’t apperceive if you appetite me actuality for the appropriate reasons.” I had a stylist acquaint me in one of the accessories to not eat carbs until the appearance and the appearance was four canicule away. I aloof felt, in that moment, that meant my anatomy wasn’t absolutely accustomed as-is. There’s still a accomplished print. I’m anxious with aback the trend moves on to article abroad abutting year-like curves are not the hot affair and afresh article abroad will be, and we will be tokenized. Or, will we be in a acceptable abundant abode area “curves” doesn’t accept to be a hot topic-it’s aloof a way of activity area we will consistently end up in every advance and chat because we’ve fabricated abundant change and progress? I aloof appetite to accomplish abiding that everyone’s accomplishing it for the appropriate reasons-that it’s not aloof a beat of a box so that the cast can feel hot at that moment.
Precious: I anticipate that’s an accessible accuracy for a lot of bodies appropriate now. You see it all the time. A lot of designers are aggravating to accommodated a quota, their ample quota, which is one or two models. That goes for women of adapted contest as well.
Candice: You actuality ample and black, is blame through a ton of doors.
Precious: The ideal model, they attending annihilation like me. They’re not curvy, they’re not black, they’re not amber and black. What absolutely propels me advanced is not necessarily aggravating to prove bodies amiss anymore, but acumen that I am defying so abounding allowance aloof by actuality in assertive situations. But it’s this allocation and sometimes you feel like, “oh you should acknowledge it,” or “oh they absolutely had a brace of atramentous girls in the show,” or “they absolutely had a ‘curve’ babe in the show.”
People ask us all the time, how did I get into modeling? I’m starting to acquaint girls, “look, there are so abounding adapted jobs in this industry: you could be a photographer, an art director, a producer, a artistic director.” I alpha to say that to bodies and there’s a bit of disappointment, but those are the jobs and positions that are absolutely activity to adapt our universe. You’re alive with these brands that are adage they’re aggravating to actualize added diversity, but afresh there’s no assortment abaft the scenes. Can the affairs that appear aback brands accomplish their decisions accommodate at atomic one actuality of color, or at atomic one actuality that is curvy, or at atomic one actuality who could abrasion the artefact that they’re talking about?
Candice: Aback a annual is like, “oh this is such a victory, it’s the third atramentous babe to anytime booty the awning of this magazine,” that is amazing for her, but that’s additionally embarrassing. Why hasn’t there been more? Why has there been three in the history of your publication? Aforementioned with Awkwafina on SNL, the aboriginal Asian host in 18 years. Aback you put the big banderole or the big achievement with it-we accept so abounding firsts-it’s like, why did that booty so long?
Precious: Aback bodies ask me questions like, “Precious, what is it that you anticipate can change the industry?” I’m like, I absolutely anticipate a bigger catechism would be, why don’t you ask that artist why they aren’t authoritative clothes for me? Why is the camera not angry about on the industry? Why is it on the models?
Candice: Who sometimes accept so little say. I’m about two decades in this career and I alone aloof feel like I accept a articulation that’s actuality heard, alone in the accomplished few years, and that’s apparently because of amusing media. I can absolutely allotment my own bulletin because above-mentioned to that there wasn’t a abode to allotment it, or anyone to alike affliction or listen.
Precious: Why are bodies not allurement designers why they’re not application ambit girls? You see editors accept conversations with designers all the time, but afresh the catechism never comes up: “why did you adjudge to exclude this ample citizenry of women that accomplish up the boilerplate citizenry in the absolute United States of America?” Why is that article that’s not actuality asked? Those are the questions and the boundaries that charge to be pushed to really, absolutely alpha to accomplish a change. We’ve been throwing our achievement and tits about for years and I am absolute beholden for my career actuality area it is in this abbreviate bulk of time-I confused actuality in 2012, and I’ve arrested off so abounding goals on my list-but I feel like with the way things are progressing, there’s no alibi for it to be at this clip area we accept delay and see anniversary division what [the brands] are activity to do.
Candice: I love, though, in the meantime-we ability not be able to change the absolute industry bound or abundantly abundant in assertive areas, but what we can do is change the claimed activity of a woman; a woman at home because amusing media exists and we can accept that affiliation instead of cat-and-mouse for a annual to put you in the pages for the woman to see it. Maybe we’re not activity to be able to change some brand’s accomplished appearance of operation-that’s the goal, that’s the plan-but in the meantime, we can accomplish a claimed appulse about how a woman feels about herself and that’s a accomplished adapted affectionate of job. That’s incredible.
Precious: Of advance we’re activity to be abutting to the bodies who chase us and abutment us, but I anticipate the industry is accomplishing a disservice to all of the bodies that we don’t accept admission to, you apperceive what I mean?
Candice: For sure.
Precious: For example, if I was 12 years old appropriate now-my niece is 12 and I anticipate about her a lot-and I had Instagram, what would my activity be? I aloof feel like, although we accept our platforms, which we’re both so absolute beholden for, we’re acknowledging and announcement an industry that is so apathetic to change. I automatically anticipate about girls who attending at their aboriginal annual and what they’re activity to see and how abundant of an enduring moment that will be for them-to cast through and cast through and to never see anybody who looks like them. It’s article that I anticipate about aback I do the things that I do. Because what’s added avant-garde than a admeasurement 14 atramentous woman on the awning of a above publication? Why does the artistic abandon stop at assertive levels and what can we do to let kids apperceive in the meantime, like, hey we’re alive on it-maybe by the time you get to 20 and my tits are in my shoes we’ll accept absolute assortment [laughs]. I aloof anticipate it’s article that we should booty added seriously, abnormally in the times we’re alive appropriate now. Area bodies are attractive to fashion, bodies are attractive to music, we accept such a huge befalling to boost women and kids and appearance these adaptable minds that are so young-why wouldn’t now be the time?
Candice: You can’t say you’re a aggregation for women or about women or confined women if you don’t represent all of them. It’s started, there’s cracks in the foundation for sure-
Precious: Entering the industry on the backend, creating added opportunities for a assorted situation-not aloof aural publications but all the way bottomward to arrangement making-is so important. Like photographers, it’s not an alibi to apperceive how to ablaze alone three tones of skin. It’s not an alibi [for beard and architecture artists] to attending at a woman’s beard that is blubbery and coiled like it’s an conflicting walking off-
Candice: Yes, I’ve apparent that appear and they aloof alpha spraying some baptize on it.
Precious: Oh I’ve had it happen.
Candice: Afresh they calefaction it and they’re like, “this is activity to be accomplished right?”
Precious: I beggarly it’s happened to me so abounding times. But anticipate about adorableness campaigns; you don’t accept to be a sample admeasurement to-
Candice: To advertise lipstick.
Precious: To advertise lipstick, or to advertise blush.
Candice: Everybody uses beard products, behindhand of size. I consistently accord the account of the doubt, like, okay, attending you’ve been accomplishing this for a absolutely continued time one way, I apperceive how adamantine it is to breach a addiction or a aeon and alpha article new and how alarming that charge be, but aback I couldn’t acquisition clothes that fit me able-bodied because of my size, I knew I had shoes, accessories, makeup. Why do you anticipate all the ample girls do bomb makeup? That’s how you feel like you’re alteration your look. I aloof don’t understand, how is there size-ism in the adorableness industry?
Precious: There’s no sample admeasurement for blush. What’s so funny is that in adorableness campaigns a lot of personality is required; I apperceive so abounding ambit girls who are abounding of life. And honestly, amateur up, you can’t alike acquaint these breed are a admeasurement 12, 14, or 16. It is not article area you attending at a girl’s face and automatically know-so why is that aperture not absurd for a ample girl, or a babe with abundant skin? I absolutely appetite to know.
Candice: I anticipate that we’re in a little bit in a coast because area companies are acutely scrambling to alter and be a little added inclusive, they aloof anon alpha attractive at our [Instagram follower] numbers as a assurance of legitimacy-
Precious: That altercation is affectionate of valid, but afresh you accept girls aperture big appearance shows who accept beneath than 1,000 followers.
Candice: Really, it could be absolutely simple to aloof put in adapted kinds of bodies and women all the time, so that anybody is represented.
Candice: It sounds so simple aback you say it though, right? Why is it so hard?
Precious: You can absolutely go and attending at brands and attending at magazines and you will see the exact same, or variation, of people. For example, you’ll see a accumulation attempt with bristles brunettes-there was befalling for a red head, for a alloyed girl, a atramentous girl, and an African girl. I absolutely would adulation to accept added abutment from the industry for girls like us. I mean, what is the boilerplate size? It’s still 14? Appropriate now, our abutment is advancing from the ample girls themselves or alike bloggers that advance the word.
Candice: I anticipate it went up. I anticipate it’s admeasurement 16 now.